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blast off on another vip episode of hero

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paranormal podcast broadcasting from the

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base at la madre mountain just south of

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remarkable episode today

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today we are in for a special and extra

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special treat

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from an extra special guest

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we have cheryl lynn carter

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author investigator numerologist

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explorer seer and overall awesome

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cheryl has written multiple books

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including but not limited to

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fear the darkness

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edge of darkness and whispers beyond the

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today we are discussing cheryl's latest

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book

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dimensions mysterious triangles of the

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this book

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literally knocked my socks off by the

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in-depth examples

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overall research included in telling the

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mysterious story of doorways parallel

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dimensions

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and alternate realms in the universe

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that might compel us to question

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everything we thought we knew

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she has delved into places of high

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strangeness and takes readers along on

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the journey

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cheryl has left no stone unturned when

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it comes to explaining the history

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of mysterious areas that claim ships

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airplanes and more people than anyone

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could ever imagine

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whether discussing puck wedgies or the

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mysterious shape-shifting kushtaka

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a huge half otter half man entity which

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lives deep in the woods of alaska

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cheryl paints a very realistic picture

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of very surreal locations

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with rich histories of native american

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entities and some very legitimate more

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modern ones like the goat man of pope

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destruction are not left out of this

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magnificent work

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some of the most amazing ufo and

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extraterrestrial mysteries also radiate

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the pages of this unique book

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and living in nevada

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i was blown away by some of the history

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the united states definitely has its

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share of mysterious triangles

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they seem to act as dimensional doorways

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traversing time and space

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come along as we go deep

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into their rabbit hole

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cheryl lynn carter welcome to the hero

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hi i'm happy to be here i'm excited

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it it's going to be great i'm super

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excited

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cheryl there are so many places that we

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can start let me ask you this

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what first brought you to reason a book

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like this that should be written about

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something because it's like this because

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psychic medium so i've always had high

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strangeness in my life

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i'm a member of mufon

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live in michigan where we have the

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michigan triangle so i thought there's

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besides just ours so i started

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oh it's so cool

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well i really really enjoyed the book it

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was like a serious page turner and

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you have a renowned and long history of

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being intrigued by and studying the

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mysteries of the unknown and the

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paranormal what started you down this

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well i had my first experience when i

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was four years old when i saw a spirit

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you know i just been hooked my whole

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life when i was four years old i was

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didn't know quite what it was probably

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not until high school and then i just

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wanted more and more and more

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which i still do

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yeah you can never know too much about

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like i said such a page turner and

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one portion of your book described a

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unique location known as the bennington

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triangle which the movie the blair witch

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a place with monsters disappearances

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murders and mysteries do you mind if i

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read a short excerpt from this section

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and ask you some questions about it

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this area has always had claims

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of many mysterious phenomena strange

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sounds anomalous lights feelings of

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people going insane cryptids and ufo

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sightings the algonquin people who

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inhabited the land from as far back as

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8500 bc chose to avoid the land west of

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the glastonbury mountain

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believing it to be a powerful place

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where there was a convergence of the

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four winds believing it to be a

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passageway to another world

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can we kind of dive into bennington a

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little bit and all of the wild stuff

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the the first person his name was mitty

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rivers he was actually a guide

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way back and when they tried to catch up

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next year a college student named paula

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her go around a bed when they got there

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she was has disappeared too

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he was on his way back home

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he wasn't in his seat anymore but a

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suitcase was there but the bus never

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stopped he had just disappeared off the

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bus never to be found again

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father said he was always

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telling them that he was being called

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camping there and she went with one of

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and she got wet in the water and she

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said i'm gonna go back and change i'll

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meet up with you and

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she never got back to camp her friend

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disappearances just stopped

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did a portal open what happened to them

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no one ever knew

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this rich history in the bennington area

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of like

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it's just you know a lot of times these

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people like you said are in close

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proximity to other people and then poof

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like like how do you go missing off the

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bus it's getting stopped that that was

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the craziest that's crazy yeah it really

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all amazing this book is so great

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the monstrous entity that really caught

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otter entity and alaska has a super rich

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history of strange creatures

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shapeshifters as you know and i was

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your alaska section and what motivated

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with alaska i've always wanted to go

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there probably never going to happen

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it's too expensive for me but

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ancient aliens and they were talking

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about the alaskan triangle one time and

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i said okay i gotta check this place out

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than the bermuda triangle everybody

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place you know right

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democratic house majority leader

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hail boggs and the alaskan house of

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representatives nicholas

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that could be connected to uh bugs who

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he was going to file some allegations

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about the fbi doing wiretapping on the

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and he wanted to open up the j f kennedy

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where they got information from marilyn

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monroe's phone calls where she was going

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to go

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and talk about what jfk told her and of

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of the documents and strange goings on i

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thought that was absolutely great

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and

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the other thing that i thought was great

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is that yeah you point out that

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everybody makes such a big deal about

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the bermuda triangle but there are other

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areas and it's it's astounding how many

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where very similar things happen

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aren't aren't there

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absolutely and i said it's even more

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when you look at the numbers in these

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other places and and yeah it's even

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crazier than bermuda triangle

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way crazier you know you don't hear

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about you know cryptids and

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ufos you really hear about that in the

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beer triangle it's maybe ships and

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planes missing

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yeah the other ones have a lot more

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coming from them

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they do they really do

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and it nothing is safe from the

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mysteries these triangles can impose on

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vehicles people planes ships

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and even trains i will i wanted to

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discuss

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the section of

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your book which included a ufo colliding

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with a train and some of the strangeness

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involved with all that what a great

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story of a train hitting a ufo at

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roughly 30 miles an hour with 16 tons

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behind it and the mib type events that

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happened afterwards can we get into that

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yeah so the this uh this train was you

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know it was going along this is

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close to louisville kentucky

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a small town and the train is going

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along and it's at night and

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they're coming around a bin and they

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they saw a light and he thought it was

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another train

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coming on the opposite tracks so he kind

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of dimmed his lights so it wouldn't

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shine in their eyes but when he came

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around the tracks it wasn't a train it

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was a ufo sitting on the tracks

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a big saucer shape

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and before i could try to stop the train

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which you can't stop a train immediately

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it hits the ufo ufo tried to take off

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but it clipped the top

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so now he's got damage to the train

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so he called in and

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told headquarters what happened and they

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says

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okay just just stay there we're gonna

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we're gonna come for the train

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but the thing was

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they says okay well we want we decide we

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want you to take the train to this other

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location

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where they can repair it

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so he thought it was kind of strange

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that they had him go to a

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a depot that was no longer being used

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right it was like in the middle of

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nowhere but he says okay

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so he pulls in there everything's dark

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everything's dark

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and all of a sudden

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these spotlights turned on

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and he's hearing car doors slamming and

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all these men are rushing up to them

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and they took him

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into a building start interrogating him

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telling him

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you you're not going to talk about this

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we we don't want any any more talk about

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this

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and then when he went back outside he

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noticed that

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the damaged engine

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was gone

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yeah

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it's a very strange so strange

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so wild

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and you know

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it is it's just unbelievable you know

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that's not some a he an easy thing to

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move you know the uh

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lead engine on a train

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an another mind-blowing train story that

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made your book was the pope lick goat

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man not to mention disappearances in

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this unique area can we

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well supposedly

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i don't know if it's just a legend or if

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it really happened

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there was a train

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a circus train

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that was going over this this old wooden

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trestle

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and

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fell off the tracks

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and they had

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like most circuses do

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they had some kind of a creature in a

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cage and they always treated it bad you

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know poke it with the stick all this

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stuff

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and this creature got loose

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and they call it the pulp lick monster

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and

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supposedly he still

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walks around the tracks up there

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and people are crazy they will climb up

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the tracks looking for him

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not knowing that this is still

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active tracks and trains come by and so

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many people have been killed

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because they're up there and a train

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comes by and it they got nowhere to go

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except jump

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hopefully they see the train but a lot

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of people just got hit by the train too

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a lot of cases i was

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totally blown away by how many cases

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of people you know this

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i guess it's called a trestle has

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it's just taken i mean it just went on

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and on i was like oh my gosh there's a

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lot of people that have lost their lives

421
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i know people looking for thrills i mean

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i i might go there and try to see if i

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if i see something but i'm sure not

424
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climbing up on top of the trestle

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that's right that's bizarre

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super bizarre

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people have just fallen off the trestle

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trying to climb it let you know let

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alone be hit by the train

430
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right that's right

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it's it's a wild story

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and it's a wild story about the goat man

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because like you said i mean such a sad

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story at the beginning but now seems to

435
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roam the uh

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the uh area

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and um another some other strange

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creatures that made the book were the

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dog man and the sasquatch and of course

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um i i would like to discuss that the

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dog man the the michigan dog man a bit

442
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it's it's almost like

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not not quite like a wolf

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but it's got the body of a man

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the head of a dog

446
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yeah it's you know it's it's just seen

447
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out in the woods a lot

448
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i've never actually seen him yet

449
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:49,520
it could be possible someday i would run

450
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into him

451
00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:53,919
yeah i've had more instances running

452
00:18:59,990 --> 00:18:55,760
into bigfoot in michigan than the dog

453
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and you're actually out there doing it

454
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you what's nice is you actually go out

455
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and explore and you're not

456
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i guess an armchair researcher by any

457
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means

458
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i thought that was really cool

459
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you also had

460
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multiple sections in the book about

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harbingers of death and mibs like we've

462
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already kind of discussed can we discuss

463
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a little bit about the history and the

464
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story of the dam that could not break

465
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and some of the harbingers with that

466
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yeah that is the most bizarre story

467
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there's a

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and

469
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the the original dam was just made out

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of rocks and mud and so of course it

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would it would burst all the

472
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time but a man from new york

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came over

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to the area and his name was george

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palace and

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he thought this would be a good place to

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build his pulp and paper company because

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there was a lot of forest there

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so he hired a man to come over and

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build the dam for him he gave him a

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certain amount of money to spend

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and the man says well you know you're

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kind of cutting corners here we need

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special reinforcement bars down on the

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bottom

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to keep it strong no no no just just do

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it just do it

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we need need to have it done it's

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getting to be december and it's you know

490
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we got to get this done so um on january

491
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17 1910 a portion of the bottom started

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to leave

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well they patched it up and the

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engineers said well i can do such and

495
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such to make it better he goes no no

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we're good we patched it up it's okay

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so in the meantime

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a stranger a tall dark man dressed in

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black

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start hanging around the buffalo

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railroad tracks that were next to the

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he would ride on the train he wouldn't

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look at anybody no one looked at him

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because they they didn't want to talk to

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him

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he'd be seen running in and out of the

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cars running across the top of the train

508
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wow

509
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but nobody wanted to

510
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there was a lady that lived up on top of

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the hill by the dam

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her name was

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that's right yeah other women in the

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town never really

515
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talked about her unless they talked

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about the woman who ran the brothel on

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so one day she was sitting out on her

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porch

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and she heard a really strange sound and

520
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she looked and the damn had burst

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so she runs down

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starts alerting the town

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people got up to high ground

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before the damn burst there was just

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lumber and just just all kinds of stuff

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just running through rushing rushing

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and now everybody when they spoke of

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coral brooks

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they talk about the wonderful woman who

530
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lived up on the hill and saved the town

531
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yeah

532
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and the stranger was never seen again

533
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:35,600
and they think was he a harbinger of

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something to come

535
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and it's very similar to the mockman

536
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,360
sightings near point pleasant west

537
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virginia on the silver bridge

538
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that happened on december 15 1967.

539
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it really is

540
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super similar

541
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:57,919
it reminded me a lot of point pleasant

542
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:00,799
and you know yeah it's and i love that

543
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:02,480
it was called the damn that could not

544
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break such a great story behind it and

545
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,600
that's what george used to say he goes

546
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don't worry this is the damn that

547
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:11,840
couldn't break that was his motto

548
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:14,240
exactly oops

549
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spooky

550
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and and that harbinger i mean just wow

551
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:21,120
it was definitely

552
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,039
one of my favorite parts of the book um

553
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,919
another very interesting section that i

554
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:27,360
have to mention

555
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,720
is the enfield horror and is it okay if

556
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i read just a quick excerpt about

557
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enfield

558
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,480
sure

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00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:39,120
the enfield horror of enfield illinois

560
00:23:44,510 --> 00:23:41,279
is probably one of the strangest cryptid

561
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:44,520
encounters ever recorded on april 25th

562
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,279
1973 a ten-year-old boy named greg

563
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:49,440
garrett claimed to have been attacked by

564
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:51,600
a mysterious creature as he was playing

565
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:54,880
in his backyard it was four feet tall

566
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:58,320
had three legs grayish slimy skin

567
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:00,640
short claws and huge red eyes the

568
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:02,960
creature approached him and stomped on

569
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his feet tearing his tennis shoes to

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00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:07,200
shreds i mean

571
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:13,669
and you know i i used to live in

572
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:15,760
illinois and i never knew about all this

573
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:19,440
crazy stuff when i lived there

574
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,480
wow that it's so wild

575
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:24,720
and enfield that kind of wasn't the end

576
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:27,600
of it it more took place can we go into

577
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,840
some of the other stuff that happened uh

578
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:31,679
and i other people seem to have seen

579
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,880
this thing and

580
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:35,200
i i mean the way it was described as one

581
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:37,360
of the weirdest cryptids i've ever heard

582
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:39,039
of

583
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:40,799
well there there were also people that

584
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:43,279
like it like to hang around

585
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,480
down by the

586
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:46,799
the stream that was there

587
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,880
and this other couple was down there one

588
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:49,919
night and

589
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:52,480
again they were sitting in their car and

590
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:54,159
they saw this creature and you know they

591
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,679
start running too

592
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:57,360
police have seen it

593
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:59,039
um

594
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:01,039
the one guy used to see him he like he

595
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:02,080
likes to

596
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,720
walk along the railroad tracks

597
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:06,159
they would see him all the time walking

598
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,919
around the railroad checks what is he i

599
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:09,360
don't know

600
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:12,080
he never really hurt anybody never

601
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:14,240
attacked anyone

602
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:16,080
thank goodness

603
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,320
because he was sure scary lucky freaky

604
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,400
super freaky and

605
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:24,640
i i loved the image in the book of it it

606
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:31,269
right it was super scary

607
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:33,760
and i love that your book has so many

608
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:36,159
images of uh

609
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,760
a lot of them and a lot of them you've

610
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:39,039
taken yourself which i thought was

611
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,960
really cool

612
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:43,039
yeah i've been to some of the places i'd

613
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:45,520
like to go to more

614
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,720
um

615
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:48,960
another section speaking of officers

616
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,960
that saw this creature there was a

617
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:52,400
another section

618
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:54,559
also in the triangles

619
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:55,760
that

620
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,240
saw

621
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:02,880
and this was what's interesting is it

622
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:06,080
even concluded with a nids investigation

623
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:08,000
the national institute for discovery

624
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:09,600
science can we go into that case a

625
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:15,350
i'm talking about the one with the boy

626
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:18,320
that first thought yes

627
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:19,840
correct

628
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:22,559
yes it was the uh i believe is it the

629
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,039
saint claire triangle i think it was

630
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,600
yeah he was he was um

631
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:28,799
he was just

632
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:31,360
walking walking home one night after he

633
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:32,640
went to his girlfriend's house he's

634
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:34,000
walking home

635
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:37,679
and all of a sudden he saw this

636
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,279
craft

637
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,600
and he ducked into into the trees you

638
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:44,000
know trying to get away from it

639
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:45,440
and he went

640
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:47,919
and told the police because he knew some

641
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:50,159
he knew an officer that was a friend

642
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:53,679
and they went out and and they also saw

643
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,559
and they were like they were like

644
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:56,159
newspaper articles because they took

645
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,000
pictures of this thing whatever it was

646
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,159
and it it stayed in the sky for quite a

647
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:05,590
yeah it never really landed or abducted

648
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:07,840
anybody or anything like that but it was

649
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:10,799
present for quite a while

650
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,679
yeah it was such a cool story and so

651
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:15,279
much backup

652
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:17,919
seems like so legitimate i mean even uh

653
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,399
nids did a report on it and multiple

654
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:22,559
people saw it so cool

655
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:25,120
uh something else living in nevada i was

656
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:26,960
blown away by some of the history

657
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:29,919
including the lead mine where groom lake

658
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:32,640
is now located can we i know a lot of i

659
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:34,000
thought i knew everything there was to

660
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:34,799
know

661
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:37,039
and this was something that really

662
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:38,640
astonished me can we go into that a

663
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:41,120
little bit of history

664
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:43,279
this really surprised me too because i

665
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:44,880
thought i knew everything about nevada

666
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,279
this is crazy

667
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:49,679
yeah so um

668
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:51,360
way back in uh

669
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:58,149
jonas uh osborne and his partners got a

670
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:00,640
homestead up for 400 acres and they

671
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:03,200
filed a claim to operate a mine which

672
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:06,000
they called the conception mine

673
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:07,840
and it was on the

674
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:09,760
mountainside overlooking

675
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:15,590
in 1937

676
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,399
the mine was purchased by patrick sheen

677
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:20,880
and his brother who successfully mined

678
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:24,960
lead silver copper zinc and gold

679
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,600
and everything was fine until one day in

680
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,120
1941

681
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,200
the government sent surveyors to the

682
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:33,440
region to search for a place where they

683
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:34,559
could test

684
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:41,510
now the guys realize these were city

685
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:43,520
people and they probably wouldn't

686
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,200
survive in these elements so they they

687
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:49,679
invited them to stay in their bunk house

688
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,799
trying to be really nice

689
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,399
but soon they discovered you know like

690
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:56,640
the old saying goes no good deed goes

691
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,880
unpunished right

692
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:01,120
because little did they know

693
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,039
that just below him

694
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,679
the nevada test truck site um and

695
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:07,840
training range would be setting off

696
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:10,000
atomic bombs

697
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:13,440
so some other family members got cancer

698
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:17,360
their animals died some of their

699
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:20,880
property was blown up

700
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:24,159
and if that wasn't bad enough

701
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,960
in 1950 the government decided they

702
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:28,880
wanted to close the roads going to the

703
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:31,279
mine because they didn't want anybody to

704
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:36,950
so they had a big fight with the

705
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:38,880
government saying we got to be able to

706
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:41,039
get there they almost arrested them a

707
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:42,640
few times when they're trying to go down

708
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,000
their own road

709
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,080
and what they really wanted to do was

710
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:48,000
the government wanted to buy their

711
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:49,679
property

712
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:52,799
and they refused to sell it

713
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,520
they wanted to give them maybe half of

714
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:58,080
what their property was was worth and

715
00:30:04,789 --> 00:29:59,440
the

716
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,799
here

717
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:06,159
and so

718
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:08,080
the government says okay then we're

719
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:09,120
gonna

720
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:10,799
condemn it under something called

721
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:13,039
eminent domain where they could seize

722
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:14,559
the property

723
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,960
which they did yeah they seized their

724
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:18,000
property

725
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:20,559
never paid them

726
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:23,760
super shady yeah and right here in this

727
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:26,880
area next to groom lake

728
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:35,350
such a good story and you know

729
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:36,720
that is

730
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,039
it's it's such an amazing story and that

731
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:41,200
is not the end of it like there is more

732
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,720
to uh groom lake area 51

733
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:47,279
and modern modern times um your book

734
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:50,559
mentions s4 goes into bob lazar dan

735
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:51,760
bierisch

736
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:55,600
but one particular thing that i a story

737
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:58,159
that is we just have to touch on that i

738
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,600
thought is just

739
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:01,279
beyond freaky was

740
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,279
cia director william colby in uh

741
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:07,919
how he was part of majestic and how his

742
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,230
yeah it's because whenever

743
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:18,640
whatever happened in majestic 12 was it

744
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:19,919
was private

745
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:22,240
right some of the documents i found now

746
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,120
is because they've been declassified

747
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:27,120
you can search on it's called the vault

748
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:28,640
you can go to the vault and you can find

749
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,360
declassified documents

750
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:33,279
and what what he wanted to do was he

751
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:35,279
wanted to start talking about this stuff

752
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:36,320
and

753
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:38,000
as soon as somebody wants to start

754
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,360
talking

755
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,279
either they disappear

756
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:43,440
something bad happens to him look at bob

757
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:45,039
lazar

758
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:48,080
them

759
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:49,440
they

760
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:51,760
got rid of his college degree and he

761
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:54,640
just tried to make the man go away

762
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:56,240
luckily they didn't

763
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:57,600
wipe him out

764
00:32:04,549 --> 00:31:59,360
that's the truth

765
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,559
happens when you try to talk about

766
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:06,399
ufo stuff that government doesn't want

767
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:09,360
to share with us yeah

768
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,399
and i thought it was super eerie how

769
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:15,039
you know uh this this cia director you

770
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:16,640
know talked to his wife everything

771
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:18,080
seemed fine

772
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:19,279
and then

773
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:20,720
um

774
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:23,120
lo and behold they find his canoe and

775
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:25,039
there's a huge search they don't find

776
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,399
him and then

777
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,720
it almost seems as if he got taken

778
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:31,440
somewhere else and then placed there

779
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:32,320
well

780
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,960
he had to be because

781
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:37,120
his cell phone was still sitting on the

782
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:38,720
table

783
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:41,200
every his computer was up it was like he

784
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:44,960
was just busy doing something and

785
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:47,440
then he just left it was getting dark

786
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:50,080
outside why would he take his canoe out

787
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:51,279
in the dark

788
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:53,120
he was an experienced canoe where he

789
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:55,360
knew not to do this

790
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,440
and then when they did find his canoe it

791
00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:59,039
was like

792
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:02,399
it was tied to a place

793
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:05,600
no it just never nothing added no no it

794
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:08,240
was very he was taken away yeah

795
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,200
someone came to his door took him

796
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:13,760
then put that canoe back

797
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:14,559
right

798
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:17,039
and um i'm sure he wasn't even anywhere

799
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:18,799
near the water they took him somewhere

800
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:20,399
and he's gone

801
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:21,760
i'm with you that's what i think

802
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:23,679
happened too

803
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,399
and it is scary all the uh all the

804
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:28,720
constitutional rights that you sign away

805
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:30,960
when you get into some of these top

806
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:34,399
secret echelons um another portion of

807
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:37,440
the book that i i was blown away by was

808
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,640
the american stonehenge and you have

809
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,720
multiple pictures and an explanation of

810
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:44,399
it can we delve into

811
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,919
something that i think a lot of

812
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:47,360
listeners probably

813
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,120
don't know about

814
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:51,840
you talking about alaska it was let's

815
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:54,320
see here i believe

816
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:57,519
it i believe it's under water and yeah

817
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,480
yeah yeah that's that's a lot yeah

818
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:03,039
i thought that was just wild

819
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,559
back in alaska they have um

820
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:08,320
an early warning system it's called the

821
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,839
dew line

822
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,040
to

823
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,280
warn the government if there was

824
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:15,839
anything coming from russia because it's

825
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,159
right next door

826
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:20,159
and so one day they were getting some

827
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:21,760
really

828
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,119
weird signals coming from the ground

829
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:27,599
and they thought well you know maybe

830
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,599
maybe someone from alaska got there and

831
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,359
they were

832
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:33,280
doing something try to

833
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,000
destroy the the dew system so

834
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,480
they says okay we gotta check well

835
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:40,639
when they start checking

836
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:44,800
150 feet beneath the earth's surface

837
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:51,349
and so again we have a

838
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:54,560
secret organization called code name

839
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,920
dark period really good name right

840
00:35:03,510 --> 00:34:59,440
and

841
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:03,520
they found a triangle under there

842
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,800
it's 1150 feet tall which each side

843
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,480
measuring

844
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,240
1510

845
00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:12,480
it's actually twice the size of the

846
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:15,720
great pyramid of giza which is only

847
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,030
they don't know

848
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:24,000
why it's down there who built it

849
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:25,839
was it human

850
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:28,000
was it otherworldly

851
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:29,760
they don't know

852
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:35,670
yeah

853
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:37,040
it's a good one

854
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,720
and uh

855
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:40,560
there's so many instances like that in

856
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:43,359
your book that you have

857
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:45,839
so much information on uh it's it's

858
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:46,960
really

859
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:51,280
everything from disappearances to unique

860
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,560
areas

861
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,480
um i was really blown away and i think

862
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,880
it's really well done

863
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,960
thank you you also go in a lot of a

864
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:01,440
history about each location which is so

865
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:03,040
cool because you kind of get to know the

866
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,240
location

867
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,640
before you find out about the strange

868
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:08,880
entities or the disappearances or the

869
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:11,359
triangles that seem to be dimensional

870
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,599
and

871
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,359
one case one

872
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:17,599
very creepy case that i would like to

873
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:18,800
touch on

874
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:22,079
is the molasses tank explosion i mean

875
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:25,200
that was horrifying i can only imagine

876
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:27,040
being there where

877
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:30,640
2.3 million gallons of

878
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,040
warm molasses which i mean i can only

879
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:35,280
imagine that that would be like

880
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:39,040
you know napalm i mean horrible

881
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:40,960
and you saw that you saw the photos i

882
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:42,800
mean yeah you can't even describe it

883
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,800
without seeing the photos no it was like

884
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:48,079
like goo

885
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:50,079
people were stuck in it horses were

886
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:52,960
stuck in it everything was just stuck

887
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:01,270
and what happened there was one of the

888
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:02,240
bolts

889
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:03,680
in the tank

890
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:04,800
let loose

891
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:08,000
and the whole tank exploded

892
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:10,079
it did it just destroyed almost the

893
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:15,190
wild

894
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:16,960
and um

895
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:19,920
you know i didn't expect it to happen

896
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:22,400
of all places boston you know it's so

897
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,680
wild

898
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,839
well i think strange kings can happen

899
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,880
anywhere

900
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,480
that's the truth

901
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:30,000
that is the truth

902
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:31,920
now the sad part was there were four

903
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,400
little children playing there and

904
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:36,720
they got caught up in it

905
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:39,440
yeah there was a lot of death too it was

906
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:40,720
pretty wild

907
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:44,720
and um i was i was amazed by how much

908
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,240
whether it be

909
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,480
uh well there were a lot of things

910
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,720
happened back each but especially around

911
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:52,000
michigan and

912
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:53,359
it would make sense because you've

913
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:56,000
explored this area yourself

914
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,000
but the uh

915
00:38:01,030 --> 00:38:00,000
the amount of

916
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:01,040
ships

917
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:02,320
that have

918
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:05,520
disappeared across the great lakes

919
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,040
you know it's

920
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:09,520
just mind-blowing how many and

921
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,760
some under very strange conditions

922
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:15,839
i mean you know you could you can expect

923
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:17,920
you know like the bermuda there there's

924
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:20,079
rough waters there could be winds you

925
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,800
know there's reasons that planes and

926
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:24,960
ships could go down

927
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:26,720
okay and some uh some of the

928
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:30,400
disappearances are just weather related

929
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,320
but yeah there's there were just other

930
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:34,560
things that

931
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:37,440
the the weirdest one

932
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:40,000
was on the thomas you where

933
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:43,440
the captain was just going through

934
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:47,520
this area called the three sisters

935
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:50,000
the three sisters is actually where you

936
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:51,599
would find

937
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,320
three big waves in a row

938
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,000
you have a little law in between and

939
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,880
it's it's very dangerous water so they

940
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,960
had just gone through there everything

941
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,160
was great

942
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:04,640
he says i'm going to go into my cabin

943
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:05,680
now and

944
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,560
take a nap when we get to shore wake me

945
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:10,640
up

946
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:12,400
so he goes in there and he locks the

947
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:15,280
cabin door they get to shore they knock

948
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:16,320
on the door

949
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:18,800
he's not answering

950
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,480
they get the door open

951
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:22,320
he had disappeared

952
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:25,680
disappeared right off the ship

953
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,119
wow

954
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,200
there was another ship one time in more

955
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,520
modern time

956
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:33,839
where members of the house of david it's

957
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:36,720
kind of a cult religious called

958
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,040
and they were out on the ship and

959
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:41,520
they all disappeared but their ship was

960
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:47,109
wow like where where do these people go

961
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:48,720
when they're out on the water

962
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:51,040
seriously if you went through a portal

963
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:52,640
wouldn't you think the whole ship would

964
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:54,839
be gone or other people would be

965
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,390
for sure

966
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:04,390
and um

967
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,319
it's like that with these these

968
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:08,960
triangles they seem to be dimensional

969
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:12,480
doorways traversing time and space and

970
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:15,280
you know you did mention uh here one

971
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:16,800
close to me i mean i lived just a few

972
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,319
miles from it actually this is the

973
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:20,079
nevada triangle

974
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:22,640
and you know people it's it's kind of

975
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:25,040
wild but people still avoid that to this

976
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,200
day uh private

977
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:30,000
plane pilots and there's just so many

978
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:31,119
cases

979
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,960
it's one of those things it's a unique

980
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,240
area but

981
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,560
after so many cases it doesn't matter

982
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:38,480
whether you're superstitious or not you

983
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:42,160
just kind of start avoiding these areas

984
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,240
well and and you can hear people talking

985
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,160
about their their instruments on on

986
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:48,880
their planes go crazy

987
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,160
i mean that's that's not being

988
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:52,400
superstitious that that's a fact and you

989
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,920
have to be

990
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:56,400
careful about that and and a good pilot

991
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:59,440
needs to be able to navigate without his

992
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,920
instruments knowing that if the compass

993
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,520
is wrong or something's telling one

994
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:05,280
reading that

995
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:07,200
he's got the plane under control because

996
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,880
there's there's times that

997
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:11,040
planes have flipped upside down because

998
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:12,640
they were trying to follow the readings

999
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:14,490
there

1000
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:16,160
[Music]

1001
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,200
so true

1002
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:19,440
and um of course you know that's where

1003
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,200
the old

1004
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:22,720
roswell

1005
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:30,630
tried to cover that up too

1006
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:32,480
and that's kind of where i was gonna i

1007
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,160
was kind of headed i knew you were going

1008
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,000
there you read my mind i was going

1009
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,160
towards the whole uh wright patterson

1010
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,160
air force base and roswell and how they

1011
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,400
all kind of tie up together and

1012
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:44,800
your book really goes into awesome depth

1013
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,640
about that and

1014
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,119
talks about operations that other people

1015
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,359
really kind of look over i think

1016
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,160
um everything from operation blue fly to

1017
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:56,160
project moon dust and

1018
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,960
and can we get into just how i know

1019
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:00,800
people have heard about it before but

1020
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:02,319
some of the cover-up and how they went

1021
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,150
well it was a 1947 and jb foster who was

1022
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:12,079
a rancher

1023
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:14,079
without checking on

1024
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:16,160
some of the herd

1025
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,520
and he found some strange pieces of

1026
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,520
he thought were metal or

1027
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,119
some kind of strange metal he's never

1028
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:24,720
seen before

1029
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:27,040
so he took it home and he went back and

1030
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:30,880
he showed us his neighbor will proctor

1031
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,960
well they tried to bend it they tried to

1032
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,640
burn it they tried to beat it with a

1033
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:36,079
hammer

1034
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,950
so he

1035
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,560
went and told a

1036
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,640
newspaper reporter

1037
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,640
told the local police

1038
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,560
and the government came up

1039
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:51,119
of course confiscated everything

1040
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:53,200
start interrogating them and you know

1041
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,430
yeah

1042
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,280
and as the story goes

1043
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:03,440
they took this stuff back to

1044
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:06,640
area 51 that they had a craft

1045
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:09,680
and they actually had a living

1046
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,790
and they were trying to talk to her

1047
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:18,400
and then they flew

1048
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:19,760
a lot of this

1049
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,040
the pieces and her supposedly to write

1050
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:25,359
patterson air force field which is in

1051
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,599
ohio which i want to go there someday

1052
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,760
because that's not close to me me too i

1053
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:30,960
want to go there

1054
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:33,359
but again you've got the cover-up with

1055
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:39,990
and they had a very interesting document

1056
00:43:43,069 --> 00:43:41,440
that they wrote up

1057
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:43,079
and it was called

1058
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:46,000
extraterrestrial entities and technology

1059
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,280
recovery and disposal

1060
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:51,920
that's scary yes

1061
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:54,960
and i thought it was cool that uh

1062
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:57,280
you you actually even had an image from

1063
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,280
the instruction manual

1064
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:01,520
in the book and i thought that was so

1065
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,200
cool and it

1066
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:05,359
it goes into detail on like yeah like

1067
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,839
you're saying what what they do in these

1068
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:09,839
uh scenarios

1069
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,160
um as we wrap up cheryl you've really

1070
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:14,240
created a fairly unique work of

1071
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:15,839
literature here

1072
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,079
um can we tell our listeners before we

1073
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,640
forget where they can best purchase the

1074
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:22,880
book and support your efforts overall as

1075
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,150
you can get it on amazon.com

1076
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,240
or if you want to autograph copy you can

1077
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:34,640
just message me on facebook and i can

1078
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:36,400
send you one because i have some copies

1079
00:44:39,710 --> 00:44:37,839
here too

1080
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,720
i also have a website

1081
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,280
cherylincarter.com

1082
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,119
that that mostly has

1083
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:45,359
my paranormal investigations my photos

1084
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:48,839
from from different places i've been

1085
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,319
to awesome awesome and it's something we

1086
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,640
should all support the book is something

1087
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:56,640
everybody should buy it's not only a

1088
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,839
super killer page turner and like

1089
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:01,599
i i read it so much quicker than i was

1090
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,040
expecting and um just because i didn't

1091
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:07,760
want to put it down and uh just mind

1092
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:10,640
blowing really well done and i like how

1093
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:12,960
you go into the

1094
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,520
ancients as well you you

1095
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,240
you don't just gloss over it in like a

1096
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,119
modern way you go into like the historic

1097
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:23,119
native american aspects of many of these

1098
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:26,000
locations and i think that's uh very

1099
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,160
noble of you

1100
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,800
as we wrap up here another creature that

1101
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:32,480
i want the listeners to know about is

1102
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:35,440
big muddy can we go into the big muddy

1103
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,589
that big body was was also

1104
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:43,680
just like a hairy creature wasn't

1105
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,800
exactly a big foot but maybe similar

1106
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:48,800
and he did he liked to hang around in

1107
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:50,319
the swamps

1108
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,839
and and people would see him but you

1109
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,440
know then again

1110
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:56,160
he never hurt anybody he he never tried

1111
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,200
to do anything he would just see him and

1112
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,359
and again he he was another one that

1113
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:03,359
they would see walking along the

1114
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:05,119
railroad tracks i don't know what it is

1115
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,760
with railroad tracks and these creatures

1116
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:09,440
must be something that i need to figure

1117
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:10,800
out

1118
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:11,920
yeah

1119
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:14,640
i've heard many many sightings even the

1120
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:17,760
police got to see the big money

1121
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,640
yeah

1122
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:20,160
that's why they called him that because

1123
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:21,440
he would be

1124
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:24,160
just covered in swamp

1125
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:27,440
yeah that's it's it's very common

1126
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:30,160
it it does seem like railroad tracks and

1127
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:32,960
areas of long like these long scars

1128
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:34,720
along the landscape

1129
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:38,480
have a rich history of liminal

1130
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,440
liminal entities as well as happenings

1131
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:43,359
taking place along them

1132
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,880
um

1133
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,480
and i

1134
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,640
i've read deeply into this but like you

1135
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:50,560
said there's there's got to be more to

1136
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:53,119
it these these long scars on the

1137
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,960
landscape anytime you see like a long

1138
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,119
straight railroad track

1139
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:59,280
it it is kind of uh

1140
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:01,280
i don't know it's an area where these

1141
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:03,920
liminal entities and strange

1142
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:07,520
goings-on sometimes happen

1143
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:09,760
another area that i wanted to touch on

1144
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,560
is

1145
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,720
i was really again in the michigan area

1146
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,560
is the paulding lights is that something

1147
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,400
that you've seen yourself i've always

1148
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:18,480
been mesmerized that's up in northern

1149
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:20,960
michigan uh-huh no i have not seen it

1150
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:21,920
it's just

1151
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,400
it's an area i guess there there used to

1152
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:26,480
be again there used to be railroad

1153
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:29,119
tracks that went through there but

1154
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:31,200
they're no longer there

1155
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,160
but some people say that

1156
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:36,720
after a train crash

1157
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:39,040
it's one of the men from the train with

1158
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:40,480
the lantern

1159
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:42,400
he's he's lost he's walking down the

1160
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:44,960
tracks but they're not there anymore

1161
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:46,480
that's the story about that one no i

1162
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,520
have not seen it yeah i mean there's no

1163
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:51,359
city lights there there's no way you

1164
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:53,440
would see any other kind of lights

1165
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,520
but it looks almost like a lantern it

1166
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:57,119
really does

1167
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,880
but again with our railroad tracks yeah

1168
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,040
it seems like you know historically

1169
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,440
railroad tracks kind of did this and

1170
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:07,680
more modernly it seems like nuclear

1171
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,319
plants have a lot of strange

1172
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,720
st and you have uh cases

1173
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:14,640
in the book about that like it seems

1174
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:16,240
like nuclear

1175
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:18,880
areas have everything from unidentified

1176
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:21,040
flying objects to

1177
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:23,680
you know things that can't be explained

1178
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:26,079
um i believe there's one incident in

1179
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:28,160
your book the uh i'll probably murder

1180
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:31,040
this word the manitowoc incident is that

1181
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:32,079
right

1182
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:34,079
yeah again that's that's in the michigan

1183
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:35,760
triangle but that's that's actually in

1184
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:38,960
wisconsin uh-huh yeah this guy was just

1185
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,640
talking to his friend on the phone

1186
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,880
about ufos you know ufo stories and he

1187
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:46,720
looked out his he was upstairs he looked

1188
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,440
out his window and he saw this strange

1189
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:51,359
huge strange light

1190
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:55,040
over in the vicinity of the power plant

1191
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:57,440
and he goes well i gotta i gotta call my

1192
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:58,640
friend you know and

1193
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,040
he's a photographer you know i i

1194
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,440
can't do very good on my cell phone

1195
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:05,680
so he got a hold of his friend

1196
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:08,400
who's like 40 miles away and he started

1197
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:10,240
filming this event while they're both

1198
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:13,680
watching it and you saw the photos yeah

1199
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,480
like a huge it wasn't a craft it's like

1200
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:18,880
a huge flame

1201
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,599
and there were other little small ones

1202
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:23,359
over on the left side

1203
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:26,079
and they couldn't even be sure if

1204
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,839
the little ones were going into the

1205
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:30,240
large one or if they were coming out of

1206
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:31,359
it

1207
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,520
and they would start twinkle different

1208
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,760
colors like christmas tree lights is how

1209
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:37,599
they explained it

1210
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:40,000
and they watched it for like 40 minutes

1211
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,440
over this nuclear plant

1212
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:45,760
and i i actually have a facebook friend

1213
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:48,319
when i when i posted this last week

1214
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:49,839
and he says that

1215
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,240
he lives close to the plant and he says

1216
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:54,160
he sees strange lights over it all the

1217
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:56,319
time

1218
00:50:02,230 --> 00:49:59,760
wow that is so wild michigan

1219
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,240
michigan seems to have

1220
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,240
and wisconsin i mean whether it's the

1221
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,960
dog man or ufos or a lot of high

1222
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:09,359
strangeness multiple sections of the

1223
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:12,720
book delve into this area that has a ton

1224
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:17,349
yeah

1225
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:19,119
i'm glad i live here

1226
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:20,720
like i said i wish when i lived in

1227
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,280
illinois that i would have

1228
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,280
checked everything out like

1229
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:27,599
down in southern illinois a few years

1230
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:29,359
ago when i started writing the book one

1231
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,359
of my friends in illinois said we're

1232
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:32,880
going down the cahokia mountains you

1233
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:35,280
want to come with us i said yes that's

1234
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:37,359
part of the michigan trust part of the

1235
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:39,119
illinois triangle

1236
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,800
he says yeah yeah

1237
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:42,720
it's called little egypt triangle down

1238
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,800
in southern illinois

1239
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:46,880
it's so interesting and it was this

1240
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,309
native american civilization

1241
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,559
i'm not sure they built mount i'm not

1242
00:51:03,270 --> 00:50:58,559
sure how many they're originally there

1243
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,589
and just the energy there i went the day

1244
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:07,440
before they got there and i i walked

1245
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,200
around by myself and we walked around

1246
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,200
the second day

1247
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,280
it's a whole community and as you're

1248
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:15,440
driving through the little small town to

1249
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,480
get there

1250
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:18,240
you would see mountains amount in

1251
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,839
somebody's backyard or one behind the

1252
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:21,440
gas station they weren't big but there

1253
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:23,040
were mounds everywhere

1254
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:25,280
wow so when the farmers came to

1255
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:26,079
start

1256
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:28,480
farming this land they they probably

1257
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,559
just knocked down a lot of mountains who

1258
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:32,400
knows how you would think yeah big this

1259
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:35,599
place was but now it's a national park

1260
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:38,480
and there's one called monk's mouth

1261
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,680
it's as tall as a four-story building

1262
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:43,680
and there's actually steps going all the

1263
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:45,440
way up to the top so of course i had to

1264
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,160
walk up the steps wasn't too bad

1265
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:50,720
it was 144 steps

1266
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:52,640
but when you get to the top my friend

1267
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:54,800
says stand over here in the middle

1268
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,200
there was a huge vortex

1269
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:59,760
probably about 12 inches of

1270
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,960
clockwise

1271
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:02,400
swirling air

1272
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:04,400
and it goes all the way down through the

1273
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:06,000
whole mound

1274
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,599
whoa

1275
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:09,359
so cool when you stand up there you can

1276
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:11,440
see the st louis arch you're up so high

1277
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:14,480
are you serious

1278
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:16,319
that's a big mound

1279
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,640
but it was a highly intelligent

1280
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:20,319
civilization

1281
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,440
they did

1282
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:23,920
a lot of trading with mexico because

1283
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:25,599
there were

1284
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:27,839
like beads and pottery that you would

1285
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:29,839
not find in the area they were

1286
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,470
and what happened to these people

1287
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:38,880
did they just disperse other places or

1288
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:41,839
did they just disappear they don't know

1289
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:44,480
so many mysteries

1290
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:46,640
kind of like choco canyon how the people

1291
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:48,079
just disappeared

1292
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,960
right

1293
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,200
yeah it really is it's just so

1294
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:54,000
mysterious how these unique places and

1295
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:55,280
unique people

1296
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,920
just disappear much like the uh like you

1297
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:59,760
know the whole dimensional aspect of the

1298
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:02,000
triangles you cover in the book

1299
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:03,119
um

1300
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:06,319
so cool that you go into uh

1301
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:08,800
the forbidden land or the black forest

1302
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:09,839
in the book

1303
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:12,559
and you mention a creature among many

1304
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:14,319
thunderbirds and things of that nature

1305
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:15,440
but

1306
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:18,720
a creature called the squonk can we

1307
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:25,670
i got i have to ask you to tell

1308
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:28,240
listeners about the squonk lastly and

1309
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:35,109
he's just he was just a little

1310
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:38,800
ugly guy his skin had lots of folds in

1311
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:41,680
him just a little four-legged creature

1312
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:44,079
and and he was he was so ugly that he

1313
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:46,160
was so sad and he would just cry all the

1314
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:48,240
time he was always crying

1315
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:48,960
and

1316
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:51,839
anybody that would try to to catch him

1317
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:54,480
all they would end up with is water

1318
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,520
and one day this guy said he he actually

1319
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,040
caught one

1320
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,040
and he had him in a gunny sack and he

1321
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:04,000
starts taking him back to his house and

1322
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,680
the sack started getting lighter and

1323
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:07,520
lighter and he opened it up and found

1324
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:10,079
out that it was just water the little

1325
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:17,190
it's so cool such a good story yeah

1326
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:18,960
yeah

1327
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:20,480
and the picture that you included the

1328
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,280
book

1329
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:23,280
the squonk is just yeah it makes you sad

1330
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,750
such a great book um let's mention again

1331
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:31,520
the listeners where they can pick it up

1332
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:33,040
and uh

1333
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:35,119
and your your personal website as well

1334
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:36,799
if that's okay

1335
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,319
yeah you can get my books on amazon.com

1336
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,319
if you want an autographed copy just

1337
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:44,480
message me on facebook and i can send

1338
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:45,599
you one

1339
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:47,200
and my website

1340
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:48,490
is www.cherylinecarter.com

1341
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,960
[Music]

1342
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:52,400
so awesome

1343
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:54,880
and it's uh it's it's a it's a book i'm

1344
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:57,040
proud to have in my

1345
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:59,280
cabinet and i know that i'm gonna reach

1346
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,640
for it because there's so much

1347
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:02,079
information

1348
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,119
that

1349
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:05,520
is not in other books and i i think it's

1350
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:07,520
really cool how multiple sections of the

1351
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:08,400
book

1352
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:10,400
go into everything from men in black

1353
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:13,839
that we didn't even cover really to uh

1354
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,680
you know all kinds of unique cryptids i

1355
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:20,400
mean the the kushtaka really got me i

1356
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,359
mean you go into you know a creature

1357
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,200
that can steal a person's soul and

1358
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:27,520
prevent them from reincarnating i mean

1359
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:28,799
so

1360
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:33,520
anything out of the mix the dog man the

1361
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:37,119
sasquatch everything is included and uh

1362
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:38,480
i highly recommend the book for

1363
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,480
everybody listening i can't thank you

1364
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:42,400
enough for coming on the podcast cheryl

1365
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:44,400
and i hope we can hopefully do it again

1366
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:46,000
soon

1367
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:48,079
we'll have to do it when i finish my

1368
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:50,559
next book that i'm working on

1369
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,119
called earth energies about ley lines

1370
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,440
oh that would be fantastic can't wait

1371
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:57,760
for that one that would be awesome

1372
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:00,960
well um yeah i i hope we talk again soon

1373
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:03,200
and thanks again and yeah everybody go

1374
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:04,960
out and get this book it's it's very

1375
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:07,040
unique and well written

1376
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:08,960
there you have it ladies and gentlemen

1377
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:12,720
cheryl lynn carter dimensions

1378
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:15,760
mysterious triangles of the us available

1379
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:17,119
on amazon

1380
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:19,680
definitely check out her website as well

1381
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:21,839
and uh hopefully we'll have her back on

1382
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:23,520
the podcast

1383
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:25,760
until next time keep your eyes to the

1384
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:26,799
skies

1385
00:56:45,420 --> 00:56:29,599
feet on the ground but don't forget to

1386
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:57,430
[Music]

1387
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:00,309
come blast off in my time machine third